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keyslammer · Member

B 'N B Paints

sara zata · Guru

Cant help you with that one, maybe some of the other girls have used them. XXXXX June

-- Edited by Buffington on Monday 20th of September 2010 01:50:50 PM

Buffington · Guru

I can't either but there are several forumers that have B n B's paints so hopefully they'll come in and lend you a hand. Might be a while so hang in there. :)

Liselle · Guru

I use them, and so does Dee.

Shake well, thin to a wash consistency with thinner. This prevents the chalky buildup. Thin, multiple layers are the key. I'm not sure what kind of instructions you're looking for other than that. I never used mine in the order I was supposed to, I just did what looked good.

keyslammer · Member

Thank you so much. Can you tell me what the thinner is that is used for these particular paints? I don't have anything other than odorless mineral spirits.

So it sounds like the same method as the Genesis heat set paints then...with thinning them to a wash. When I was first starting out it was the hardest thing for my brain to grasp that less is better.

Thank you SO very much for your help.

peachycheeks · Veteran Member

Hi- I'm glad you brought up this topic. I have Genesis paints and B'N'B air dry paints- the air dry came with their own thinner- it says to be used with air dry acrylics only- but I have no idea what is in it because it's like a homemade bottle. So I have only used Genesis with reg. mineral spirits. I would try the air dry paints if i knew how too. Anyone??

keyslammer · Member

Exactly. Mine looks like a homemade batch too. Curiosity is killing me.

Liselle · Guru

Sorry, all I have is what came with the paints as far as thinner. I personally can't stand the thinner, cos it's all clumpy, even after RIGOROUS shaking. Ugh.

peachycheeks · Veteran Member

Well I hate to waste the air dry paints- but I will stick with GHSP until I find out. Thanks

Date: Sep 21, 2010

Well, I've never been that thrilled about the idea of air dry paints. Even the term sounds "temporary". I will probably always use the GHSP, but this particular project I have that involves painting the face of a vintage doll (Suzie Smart) I am just having to look into other options. She is made of more plastic than vinyl and she has the saran hair, so you can't throw the old girl in the oven. I want to get this womans doll back to her looking like she used to look, or close at least.

PLEASE, SOMEONE, ANYONE!!! HELP!!! What is the thinner made from for the air dry paints?

Tina W. · Guru

That's one of the reason's I never continued with adp's and all the instructions said was use air dry thinner (bnb special blend)
There is a seller on Ebay who might be able to help she sells the adp as well. I'll pm the info.

-- Edited by Tina W. on Tuesday 21st of September 2010 05:00:34 PM

Buffington · Guru

You could try checking with DD to find out. They sell their own ADP but maybe the thinner is the same. I know they have some retarder too but not the same thing. Possibly their thinner is compatable.

As far as the more "plastic" dolls, Genesis (or any heat set paints) do not recommend the use of HSP on it because it can cause an unwanted reaction from the combination of the two. So good thing you're not using HSP's on that dollie! :)

Play Days Dolls · Guru

I've looked at DD, and cannot spot any information there that would answer the question of what the thinner consists of. However... the other German company that has developed air dry paints is RE. I am a dealer for their kits, but have not unfortunately been able to try the air dry paints

I do know the air dry paints are supposedly water-soluble which would normally mean they can be thinned with water.

Per their product FAQ:
"GUIDLINES FOR USE:
Mix the paint wth water. Apply the paint with either sponges or brushes in the appropriate amount an number of coats. If you have any questions or need help with any techniques then please feel free to contact us or book a level 2 course through us to learn more."

Having suggested trying water to thin the paints, I also noticed RE also has a product called Color 03 Matte Thinner". I'm not certain if this is useful because of the color or the finish or both.
Not sure if the paint description is the same as the ADP that you purchased from BnB, but wanted to share--just in case. Description says the paints have the following features:

Industrial quality specifications for vinyl (soft PVC).
Water based and water thinnable.
Superb elasticity and scratchproof finish.
Softener proof pigments.
EN71 part 3 standards suitable, even after drying.
Amazing UV ray durability doesnt fade.
Quick drying (Total dryness within 48hrs)
Extra paint hardening system which increases the durabilty of the paint.
Specially designed for Real Effect techniques and mxed for Real Effect colour tones.
Dries with a matt finish

Hope this helps. PM me if you have further questions on RE or are interested in obtaining their product.

Linda

Buffington · Guru

Thanks Linda. In the meantime, I'll take a look and see what instructions (if any) came with my ADP from DD. I know also that one of the doll dealers has a free onsite tutorial for using their paints and I think the medium (like Linda said) is water.
One thing... if you are using the ADP's with water, try to use bottled distilled water, as there are not all those chemicals in it. Lots of artists use distilled water in their work and they swear by it. Just putting that out there... :)

keyslammer · Member

So when we purchased the thinner for air dry paints we could have possibly just been buying someone's tap water? ROFLMROOOOOOOO. I

was wondering why it had no odor.

Buffington · Guru

Well that wasn't what I was saying hun. But I was saying that most ADP's are water soluable so they do thin with water. At least the ones I saw on a doll site were. And someone else in forum said that too, "water soluable". Hopefully I (or someone else) will be able to find out what the "thinner" for the ADP's is.
tomorrow I'll go find the link for the tutorial on the ADP's. I'll have to pm it to you (conflict of interest you know lol).

Liselle · Guru

Just a word of advice, as I JUST tried this and it does NOT work.

You cannot thin the GHSP with the BnB thinner. It won't even mix, it just clumps up the GHSP.

Dee · Guru

I use BnB paints I never used them in any kind of order I mixed colors until it looked right to me, the paints are marked with the different steps, but after painting a few dolls you will have your own technique,I wish I knew what paint thinner and paints were used, I think maybe they just bought large quantities of some brand of paint and thinner then put into little cups,and bottles, who knows. I do know that the last bottle of thinner I bought from them was not the same kind I have gotten from them many times before this has lots of sediment in the bottom.

-- Edited by Dee on Wednesday 6th of October 2010 11:36:15 PM

Liselle · Guru

Yeah, I hate that sediment. It doesnt matter if you shake and shake, it's still there. It gets all in the paint, then on the kit....I rub my kits down after painting to remove the bits.

keyslammer · Member

I have got to get this doll finished and she is coming out okay with the air dry paints, however, I hope to never have to use them again. I just don't like the way they look. I myself just prefer the old-fashioned heat set paints like Secrist sells. They are the best in my opinion. You just can't take shortcuts on things like these dolls and to me that is what the air dry paints are. There is a reason the paints are heat set....to cure them into the vinyl and you will never have a chalky looking baby if you follow the instructions and especially do not use too much paint. Now this is just MY opinion folks. NOTHING AT ALL against those who prefer the air dry paints. You might have had a lot better experiences with them than I have.

keyslammer · Member

I hope to never have the opportunity arise that calls for having to use the air dry paints. I just do NOT like the way they look, no matter how little you use, how well you mix according to specifications, etc. They simply (IN MY OPINION) are not as good as the heat set paints.

Liselle · Guru

I haven't really had a problem with the BnB ADP. Once I learned how to use them properly, I've found I actually like them. But I'm switching now, because I can't get the paints anymore. But I've got a decent stock of them currently.

keyslammer · Member

Yeah, like I said, I guess it is just a personal preference. I have noticed as I get older it's hard as heck to change over to something else once you get used to one thing. Mama always warned me it would be this way and she has been right about everything so far. I'm not looking too forward to the OTHER things she says happens as we get older. Even though she's gone now she's batting 1000. LOL

Hope everyone is enjoying cooler weather as we are down in the Houston area.

Ana

Buffington · Guru

Has anyone checked with DD to see if their thinner is the same?

Liselle · Guru

I have not, as once I'm out of these, I'm done...though I'll run outta thinner before I run outta paints....

Buffington · Guru

If I get a chance I'll send DD an e-mail and ask if they know. Also I'll ask what theirs is made of and if it's water soluble.

Liselle · Guru

Is there an update to this topic? I would really like to use my ADPs again, but I'm dangerously low on thinner.

Perhaps I could thin the paints with water? Or the thinner I use for GHSP?

Liselle · Guru

I talked to someone who has been using these paints for years and she tells me that they can be thinned with water successfully. So....question answered!

Buffington · Guru

I never got a clear answer out of them. Sorry hun. I suppose they might not say as they want to sell their thinner too. If all the doll artists network as they do, they would lose out if everyone knew you could use water instead of thinner.

Date: Aug 20, 2011

Thanks so much for all the valuable info ladies. I truly appreciate it.

Buffington · Guru

No problem Hun!