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I just started my first kit.  I am using all of the Secrist heat set paints.  I also used the Mona Lisa thinner.  I have all of her coloring completed as per the Secrist DVD and in my opinion she looks chalky.  Those little white dots from the first coat are still prevalent and I don't think she looks natural.

What did I do wrong and what can I do to lessen the chalky look?

Thanks much for your opinions!

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Most beginners put on a little too much paint with their thinner. And when that layer is baked it does look chalky. I know people say they didn't think it was too much but usually this is the case. There are other threads in this topic on what to do for the "dreaded chalkies" so if you are welcome to search the topic for them. They contain lots of information from others on why, how, what to do about them, etc.

The pigment dots are supposed to be there but very minut. Like when you look very close you see them but when you step back they look like skin.

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How do you know exactly how to add the solvent ink?


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You want to make sure you don't add more than 40% thinner/solvent to how much paint you have. Your paints should be like thin cream. If you are using the internal purple wash on your Secrist kits then that is the only one that should be thin almost like water. It needs to barely be thick enough to lightly coat the inside of the vinyl.

Be sure to stir your paints before you take some out to mix them with the thinner. That way you will actually use less paint and it will mix better with your thinner. Then just add a little thinner at a time and mix, see how that looks for thinness. If it's not thin as cream then add a little more thinner and mix again. It's all an experiment really :)

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Thank you!
I am trying to do my fairy Buba yet!

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I can't wait to see this one. I'm sure you will do a good job :)
When you are done please post pictures in the artist showcase

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Buffington wrote:

Most beginners put on a little too much paint with their thinner. And when that layer is baked it does look chalky. I know people say they didn't think it was too much but usually this is the case. There are other threads in this topic on what to do for the "dreaded chalkies" so if you are welcome to search the topic for them. They contain lots of information from others on why, how, what to do about them, etc.

The pigment dots are supposed to be there but very minut. Like when you look very close you see them but when you step back they look like skin.



I am new to this myself and I painted my hands and feet and they are to chalky looking can I reapply the paint or are they just no good now?? Any help I can get would be great!!

 



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Chalkiness can be caused by a few things. Like mentioned above it could be to much paint. It also could be that you did not bake the baby enough. Are you using an oven theromometer ( i just know I didn't spell that right lol) If not I highly recommend purchasing one. Secrist sells them. My oven which is fairly new is way off in the temperature. I actually have to bake my babies at 305 for the 8 mins to have the right temperature. If you are using a thermometer (think I got it right that time lmbo) then perhaps try baking another min or two. What I also like to do is after the thinner has dried before I bake is to take a large mop brush and do a dusting over the pieces with it. Make sure the brush is dry and clean and then simply brush the pieces off. Hope that this helps. Don't give up we have all been there! There are no fatal mistakes when painting these babies the worse case scenario is you strip the vinyl and start again smile.gif

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Don't forget to search the forum for chalkie threads. Lots of people have had issues with them. Most posts will be under painting or new/beginner and some may even be in the misc chatter topic.


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smilemy babies looked chalky at first use less paint you can always do another layer if there isnt the right effect do more really light blushing layers again less is more.



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You are exactly right!

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I think you can rescue the doll parts even if they appear chalky at first.  You can try applying more thin layers, and don't be afraid to mix your flesh colors.  Or... try 2 different flesh colors on the same sponge by applying a bit of each in separate areas of the sponge.   Rotate the sponge as you pounce to get that sort of uneven appearance.

Be sure to bake after each layer.

Be sure to bake after each layer.  If your doll parts looked chalky the first time, double check the temperature and time.  You may need to bump up the temperature slightly or try baking for 8 1/2 minutes to see if it makes a difference.

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confusei am fairly new to reborning,but i have seen some beautifull lifelike babies.how are these skin tones achieved ,can you use several different skin tones,can you mix your own tones,or can you buy them ready mixed.thankfull for any advice,with love treaclepuddingashamed

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Treacle...
Usually the depth of the skintone is achieved with many (or just several) layers of translucent heat-set paint, some use the internal wash (Secrist or AVDW only, or German vinyl). If you have one of Secrist's DVD's you can see how this is done.
Yes, you can do both, mix your own and buy them ready mixed.
Authentic Reborn paints and sets: http://www.secristdolls.com/authentic_reborn_paints?b=1

My best advice is to get a few of the DVd's and watch them. Basic dvd's like newborning 1 & 2 will give you a starting point. Beginner classroom training will take you into more techniques. Special reborn encyclopedia will help you with painting the mini babies and ethnics.

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smilethankyou for your advice ,i do have the beginners dvd from pat secrist, thats good but i think i need the advanced one. with love treaclepudding.

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I know you mentioned you are looking for methods of achieving the more mottled skin tones so I think advanced one may be just what you need.

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Hi,
My name is Amanda I'm new to the forum ,and I have a question that I hope someone can answer for me. My question is this, when you're using the Secrist eyeelid paint set you get both the teal blue tint and the wisteria purple tint ,and I need to know are you supposed to mix those two colors together to make the periwinkle blue ,that the guidance chart recommends, or what? Any help will be greatly appreciated. I just need to know how to use these colors because I don't want to ruin any of my babies eyelids. HELP !!! I'm just confused !
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I am not sure either and I don't want to tell you wrong.. and have you mess up your babies. But there are other more experienced ladies on here that could help you I just happened to read you thread.. I am sorry I can't be more of a help..

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Hello Amanda and welcome to the forum!

Normally, I'm really familiar with the Secrist recommendations, but I'm a bit puzzled that the chart would tell you to use a periwinkle when the pre-mixed eyelid paints consist of two other colors.  One of the advantages of the pre-mixed colors is that there's no guesswork for beginners.  Unless our senior moderator knows the answer, I will follow up with Secrist to find out what is meant by this.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, Amanda.  Again.... we're glad you are here.

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Welcom Amanda!
If you bought the premixed eyelid paints I beleive what you do is apply a thin layer of teal blue over your eyelid for a base, for lack of a better description, then apply your veining with the purple after. You don't mix then together.The blue is use usually for younger babies as thier skin is thinner and shows more of that bluish hint on them. Hope this helps!

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To Tina W,
Thanks so much for replying to my post. Next question, if you use the blue as a base then the purple for the veins where do you use the red color? Is it also used to make micro veins ,on the eyelids ,if so how? I really appreciate any help that I can get with these questions ,and I'm so glad to be a member of the forum. Because all of you ladies' are so nice.
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The red is used for the tiny micro veins in the baby's eyelids.

Secrist has a Paint Technique Guidance Chart: Eyebrow Hair and Eyelid Veining It explains it a bit better than I can. Or if you can find some pictures of a newborns eyelids you can see the different colors and veins. Visuals are the only things that really help me. I need to see it to get it.

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Hi Tina,
I think that I get it now. So basically you use the blue first then the red and purple to create the tiny veins on the babies eyelids. That makes sense. I just wasn't sure so I figured that I should ask someone that might know before I used the paints incorrectly.
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Amanda, I may have misread your question.  Do you have the Paint Technique Guidance Chart for the eyelids, and do you have a question about the directions on the chart?  Does it specifically mention  "periwinkle"?  If the information on the chart is wrong or misleading, I think it's important to clear up any confusion.

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Hi Linda,
Yes, I do have the guidance chart ,for the eyelids, and it does specifically say to apply a layer of periwinkle blue to the upper eyelids. That really confuses me because I bought the eyelid veins paint set ,and now I'm not sure how to use it because there isn't any periwinkle blue. There is blue tint wisteria purple tint and a red color, So I'm needing to know how to apply all of these colors to my babies eyelids. I'm just needing to know how to use the eyelid vein paint set. I hope that this helps clear up any confusion.
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That sounds very confusing considering none of the eyelid paint colors are called periwinkle.  Amanda, thanks so much for clarifying the issue.  I'm going to submit your question / comment, and will let you know the response.  

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Hi Linda,
Thanks so much. I just need to know the proper way to apply the paints to my babies eyelids before I try using them. I just don't want to apply them incorrectly ,and risk messing up one of my babies. I'm sure that all of you ladies know what I mean.
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My guess is if it mentions the perwinkle, it should be put on the inside behind the eye area. Then take the blue you have an apply an extremely thin layer on the lid and the bridge of the nose. Take the other 2 colors (purple and red) and make tiny little capalaries and micro capalaries on the lid. not too many or the baby may look like it's got a problem.

Secrist isn't open on Thurs thru Sun so it might be some time of a wait for the info. I might e-mail the office and see if I can get a response too.

Hang in there hun!

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That would be great if you would try to contact them also, Pat.  I have not had an answer yet.

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Hi Ladies,
It's me again ,and I have another question. This question is about Secrist's instant super glue. I actually bought mine from Dolls By Sandie ,and when it arrived it had a different tip with it than the tip that Secrist sells with it here on the Secrist website. My question is how in the world do you get any glue to come out of this tip ? I can't get anything to come out of it at all. My tip has this little long metal piece that almost looks like a needle. Do any of you ladies know kind of what I'm talking about ,and has anyone ever used this tip ,with success, because I'm just not having any luck with mine. I can't get any glue to come out of the thing ,and I'm just assuming that I'm using it incorrectly. I found a video demonstration on youtube from MacPherson Crafts ,I think that I spelled that right, using the same tip as what I'm talking about here ,and the glue came out of the tip very easily. However, it sure doesn't come out of my tip that easily ,not even at all. It was an EZ Lasher tutorial video if anyone wants to view it to see the glue tip that I'm talking about. Any help that you ladies could offer me with this would be VERY much appreciated.
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Did you take off the cap/needle-like tip and see if it's sealed or just not open at the end? Sometimes the glues have to have the bottle/tip pierced with something sharp like a needle. this is so that the glue doesn't come out accidentally when in storage or shipping.

I have been to the Secrist factory several times and watched as they apply the superglue (locktite) to the eyelashes. Works pretty slick I think.

Let us know what you find out with the tip. :)

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Hi,
I'm trying right now to open the tip ,with a needle, but the tip is so tiny that it's giving me a bit of trouble. However, if I do ever get the tip opened up I'll sure let you ladies know.
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Be VERY careful because all it takes to ruin an eye is one teensy drip of Loctite glue.  And it looks so easy on the video!

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I never have done eyes lol... I must look it up and do lot of reading.. Yikes nervous!

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Hi Everyone,
I have yet another question. This one is about the superior shine remover. Is it supposed to be completely matte after it's baked or is it supposed to still have kind of a satin finish to it? I'm asking because it seems that every doll that I use it on is still a bit shiny or satiny looking when they come out of the oven. The superior shine remover is matte when I apply it ,but after it's baked it still has a bit of a shine to it. Am I just using it wrong or is it supposed to look that way? Should I be using the AR clear coat matte sealer in stead. Any advice would be much appreciated.
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Are you using "any" thinner with it? Of any kind? If so, that is your problem there. The superior shine remover or any of the matte sealers are not supposed to be mixed with thinner. It defeats the purpose.

And it will get shiny if you are either having your heat too high, baking for too long, or using the "convection" setting on your oven (tabletop or regular). Hope this helps. :)

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Are you applying one coat of the superior shine remover?  Only one coat should be applied.  Subsequent coats seem to bring back some of the shine.  Go figure.

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Hi Linda,
That is strange that putting too much shine remover seems to bring back the shine. I just don't seem to be having any luck with any shine remover product that I've tried ,though. I'm beginning to think that it's just me. Maybe some day I'll find something that truly works the way that it's supposed to ,but if any of you ladies here find something please let me know. I'm open to suggestions.
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I think it is all trial and error, what works for one doesn't work for the other. The other thing is maybe it could be the vinyl or silcone the kits are made from, I know that I have worked on two kits at the same time and have used shine remover on both, one had more silcone in it and didn't work as well. OH well, just like like the baby has had baby oil applied to it. LOL. XXXXXX June.

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