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I am working on my very first doll...Fern. I'm not expecting perfection on my first doll and am pleased with some of the techniques I've tried so far, however her skin is very chalky looking. I remember reading in the last forum about this but since I hadn't done a doll yet I don't remember what the suggestion was for fixing it. Did I use too much paint? Not heat it long enough or heat it too long? Is it too late to fix it? What can I do?

Thanks for any suggestions!!

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Hi Kim,..
Yes you used to much paint thats why it is chalky,..you can solve this by adding a little glazing gel on a sponge and dab that on,...it also is possible to add just a tiny amount glazing gel to your paints.

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Thanks for your reply, Danielle! So are you saying that I didn't thin the paint enough with the thinner? When I first started it was very thin and I could hardly notice anything on the doll so I thickened it up a bit. Is that where I went wrong? Also, I'm not happy with the coloring at all...she is very pale. If I want to add a little more coloring to her should I do this now or apply the glazing step like you suggested first? Sorry for so many questions! Thanks for your help!

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Did you do the swab test to see if you baked it long enough? If any paint comes off then it needs more baking. But if it really looks chalky (especially between fingers/toes) then you definately used to much paint. You said you added some so maybe it was a little too much ashamed

Also before you try fixing it, take some terrycloth and rub vigorously on the vinyl and see if that helps, sometimes it does. smile

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Kim,..
You can add just a tiny speck of pyrrol red to your flesh 08 ,..yes i guess you used a little too much paint.

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This happened to me too on my fist doll. I just went over it with the paint thinner. I tabbed some on a cosmetic sponge and I dabbed all over it until the chalkyness went away. Then I proceeded to bake as usual.

I was working on two dolls at the same time....One was a Zoe kit and the other was a doll I had when I was a little girl. Since this didn't happen on the Zoe kit....I just thought it was the vinyl on the other doll. All the other layers went on with no problem, but the flesh tone colors were chalky. It was all worked out in the end and my doll looked good.

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I've been told (and will find out on my next doll) that if you use the thinner with the flesh tones you are more likely to get a chalky finish. But if you use the Genesis Heat Set thinner it doesn't happen. Basic rule of thumb is to use the paint thinner when you want a transluscent look (like veins and blushing) otherwise use the Genesis thinner!

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I've also thought about what LovesDolls wrote. When I started out I used the Genesis thinner and I never had a problem with chalkiness (and I did one really pale baby that definitely would have been prone to chalkiness). Now I use mineral spirits for most of the doll and I have to be super careful to thin my colors that have more white in them. (White is the culprit behind the chalky look...colors that have more white in them (like flesh 08) are more likely to turn chalky.)
Maybe I should go back to the Genesis thinner for awhile...
I like the mineral spirits because they let the color sink into the vinyl...I can't get that look with the Genesis thinner. (Argh!)evileye I'll just have to mess around with it I guess. hmmaww

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from my experiance it's the thinner brand that actually contributes most to this issue. I use Archival Oils oderless sovlent, when i've used other brands i've had some issues with the lighter fleash tones going chalky, however i never have this problem with using Archival brand.

Sometimes i use VERY thik layers - i often start out with a "yogurt" like consistancy of paint, i'll pounce this over all the vinyl surface, i don't like to leave the vinyl showing through my paint work as i feel this leaves a still very "plastic" look to the baby and detracts from the realism. No matter what the consistancy of paint i use, with the Archival solvent i never have a problem with chalkiness, i've only tried 2 other solvents but both these other brands would need great care taken to avoide going chalky. After my fist think covering, i use the paints allot thinner and build many translucent layers on each other to creat a truly "liveing skin" complexion.

SO my advise is to try and get the Archival solvent - but i'm not sure if this is an international brand or not (i'm in australia) if not, then you may want to play around with a few different brands available where you are - i trully believe it is the thinner/solvent that is the primary cause of the "chalky baby"

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I'm going to have to try that thinner.

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im in queensland where can i get the archival oils?

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smile I have to tell you I have enjoyed reading this section of questions and answers soooo much. Thanks for the laughs. I am also on my first baby and having chalkiness issues. I don't know it it will work but I just took a dry cloth and wiped it off and it seems to work. I was told to do several thin layers and I think the work thin was the major word in that advise. Anyway I also stood leaning on my overn pearing through the door window. I couldn't sit down because I wouldn't have gotten up. lol 

I am soo happy to know that I am not alone agonizing over how to do this. Wish there were someone close by me that I could take lessons from. Most time seeing to me is learning.

Anyway I hope you have solved the chalky issue and have determined what temperature your oven bakes at.  lol I am in the middle of the same dilema.

Wish me luck. Or it too may be my last. Watch for cheap paints on Ebay. lol

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Chalkiness usually means you didn't bake it long enough, or at the right temperature. To fix, bake longer or higher. Another thing to do is to give the doll a slight rubdown with a thinner or glaze (not sure on the exact product).

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Sometimes, especially if we are new to reborning, even though we think we are applying our paint as thin as can be, it's still a little too thick. This in itself can cause the "dreaded chalkies"! If you can see your dots of pigment on the surface when you are applying and they look more than just faint, add a little thinner to your pouncing sponge and dab them to make them more faint. Don't dab/pounce them into oblivian but just enough to remove some of the paint. After a couple of dabs, pounce your sponge on your paper towels/napkins to remove the excess paint from the sponge and go back and pounce on the doll part again. In this way you thin the paint on the part and remove it so you're not just spreading it around to another area. You actually remove the excess. Keep doing this until you have a faint layer of dots (don't do it too much so you blend your dots smooth). When you think it looks good then bake at the 265F/130C for the directed 8 minutes, using your oven thermometer to make sure you are at that temp.

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disbeliefI think I pounced it  into oblivion. lol It is really hard to judge not having ever seen, in person,  a doll at this stage. I put #8 on first and I am going to do another layer of #7. Perhaps this may add depth to what now looks like a smooth factory finish.  Is there any limit in the times that you put on skin layers? I mean the flesh tones. Perhaps I should do another number 8 before I do the 7.  Blushing. Oh blushing.  I am sure I will have challenges with that as well.
This time I am going to pull small dots out of the sponge. Someone told me that would help especially if I am an over pouncer which I think I definately am. I have a hard time stopping. lol

Perhaps I should go to the nursery at the local hospital and say I'm a grandmother to that child will you bring it close to the window. lol Don't think I'd get away with that but once. lol

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I think you being a bit hard on yourself and things aren't and bleak as they seem. This is your first baby and with each one you do you'll develop your own technique. I look at my first few babies and then my latest ones and I'm truly amazed at the difference in my approach to everything, skin blushing everything. I needed to think outside the box a bit and experiment then I saw the difference in my babies. You really do have to look outside the box. If your not seeing the tiny "pores" after you pounced, you can add another layer. I've added up to 4 layers of skin tone before when I was just not pleased. As long as you add them thinly, if not you'll get the chalkies and a "painted" looking baby (I've done that before as well)
Don't give up.

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Yep I am hard on myself. I want things to be perfect the first time. My bad. lol
I am still trying to figure out how to pounce those pesky dots. I cannot see them even with my glasses on. Now on second layer. First was 8 now 7.  I did well on the veins. Woohoo. They are still showing through. I did them under the layers of skin thinking that would look more realistic and it does but had to darken one or two because the skin covered them.  I do like putting the veins on the outside. works much better than inside.
I plan on putting at least 1 more skin layer on because the kit was quite peach colored and I want to make it less so.

The baby is 21 inches long which is the length of both my children when they were born but the head on the doll looks larger. More like a 2 month old so I don't think I want to put as much mottling on it. I think they have outgrown that stage by 2 months. I may do a little on the top of the legs. Seems I remember that 2 months olders still have some on the delicate skin above the knee.  Am I correct about this?
Still blue between the eyes. I remember my babies having that forever. a year old or so before that disappeared.

Anyway onward and upward. lol Then the real fun begins with the blushing .  Gotta get a grip on that. That is dotted too?

Thanks for all the help. I am lost here. lol
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Oh... you're not so lost as you think hun, You'll be ok. Yes, as Tina W said, you can put on several layers of the base. I do too! I alternate between 07 & 08, about 2 of each. I do the veins in between the first 2 layers and the next 2. I always go light on the veins as that blue is really pigmented and will "grab" and hang on tight lol

At least you still have your sense of humor about you! Just relax and have some fun with learning the basic techniques and then you can take off and step out of the box and run!!! hehehe
Yes, you can take your tweezers and pick some little bites out of your sponge, or use a natural sea sponge. And go light, less is more! If you put less, you can always go back and put more, get it? hehehe Well I thought it was funny :o

Blush, dotted? Hmmm. You mean dots like the base foundation? No not so much. but its not solid either. Take a look at your dvd again. :)

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teevee.gif  lol yes it is back to the dvd.  

I have finished 2 layers and only lost a couple of veins. I have put them back and am going to do another layer or two. I have a Bareunger doll and the color was what seemed to me to be too peachy but then someone told me that B doesn't make peachy dolls just pink. So there ya go. I think I am just trying to get rid of the peachy look and it isn't working yet.

My two children and all my grandchildren were olive complexioned. AND I am blonde.  Go figure.  What skin colors give you that tone?  I am thinking that if I get good at this I'd like to make a baby that has darker tones.

But then I think I am getting ahead of myself. lol

Thanks again for all the help and "rooting me on"

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Hello Lynda,
Is the peachy doll the one you have been already painting or a new kit? I'm confused ... If it's a new kit (even one with just the flesh tone started) you can color correct a bit using the color wheel and tone down the peach color some to your liking. Just add the color opposite the wheel to your flesh. The beauty of Genesis... it is so forgiving, allowing you to keep going until your happy.

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Ya, sometimes I keep going like the energizer bunny! lol
Definately check on your colorwheel if you're not happy with the color. And mix a tiny toothpick tip of the correcting color with your flesh tone, you'll be amazed. A little goes a long way.

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Can you go over it pouncing with odorless thinner- all I have - even if you already baked it with the skin texture? I baked it and that's how I realized I di too much paint. It looks like it has dandruff on it's face, OLO!

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Georgia , maybe you should completly. Remove the paint with acetone , and thinner and start over

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ok, I ran a bit of acetone over all the parts...it took the edge off the whilte stipled paint I made with too much skin texture paint, but really didn't remove it...I just ordered the fleshtone 08 as it didn't come in the kit with all the other paints and I painted one layer on so far, extremely thin. Looks better already...not so white like flour. It's making the skin texture look better too, so I will do a couple more coats of that before I'm done and it should be just fine. Great newbie lesson to learn, though!
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Glad it is working out for you now. Keep us posted.
And it's always a learning experience, even for seasoned reborners lol

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