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Georgiaga · Senior Member

Glued Mohair now falling out

Liselle · Guru

I can't wait for someone to answer this as I'm having the exact same problem. I'm using a mushroom tool with cut needles (not sure on needles since it was a BnB all inclusive kit and the needles came with the kit) and I am pushing them all the way down into the vinyl as far as they'll go when rooting.

I used the mohair sealer that came with the kit, and I'm thinking it's not enough to hold the hair in.

Any advice would be appreciated!

:)

honeyloves · Guru

:( if you decide to use e6000 its at wal-mart for 2.97 or something

Georgiaga · Senior Member

Thanks Ashley-
Liselle, I am pushing the hair in all the way as well! What glue are you using?
My kit came with Tacky Glue and so that's what I used. unless the hair is breaking off at the head...didn't think about that one...either way, a problem! I also used the secrist standard frizz mohair- yuk- and the same mushroom tool as you with the 38Guage needles.

-- Edited by Georgiaga on Friday 28th of January 2011 05:15:17 AM

Liselle · Guru

I just use the Mohair Sealer that came with the kit. I'm thinking it's just regular old white glue.

Georgiaga · Senior Member

Yes, the Tacky Glue is white. That's what I used and it came in my kit, too.

honeyloves · Guru

Your , welcome

Buffington · Guru

Ok ladies...
First... a couple of questions to set the scenario...
With the "standard" mohair, to root it didi you cut peices off the bunch or did you pull sections out from the end? If you cut sections off, that would explain the little hairs falling all over. I have found that you need to pinch some hair in your fingers and hold the rest. Then pull out from the end. I'll try to find the pics I took of how to do it. It really makes a difference in how it roots and looks.

Next, did you thin the glue at all before applying it? Did you set the head upside down in a cup or small bowl to dry? That usually helps it to smooth out and not drain all down the inside of the head. Also did you use a brush to coat inside or a popcicle stick, etc?

Then, did you use a brush to brush the hair so as to loosen any short or broken hairs from the head? Lots of times people cut the hair from the bunch and it causes smaller pieces that don't get rooted but still stick with the other hairs and then it seems like the baby is going bald or loosing lots of hair, especially with the standard mohair. I have had that similar problem before I learned how to work with it. I'm now rooting a second head for Secrist (to be sent to Hollywood) and they sent the "English" mohair. It looks similar to the standard but is finer. I had to do the same thing with this as the standard... pinch a small bunch at the tip and pull it out of the rest of the bunch. When I do that it comes out smooth and shiny. Amazing as it looks rather dull in the package. And you really get a lot in the package with the Englisn mohair :)

As far as poking the needle in as far as it goes, sometimes it seems like it, and also depends on the angle that you insert your needle. Sometimes it seems like I'm poking all the way through but when I look its in sections with some bare spots too. I root slow and methodical now and can get the rooting spaced and looking nice, also the swirl so now is time for pics!

I'm trying to figure out how to take pics and root/demonstrate at the same time. I have macro on my camera so it should get fairly close up. I think a pic says a thousand words and I did the same for the mohair on how to separate it. I am going up to the studio tonight and tomorrow I'll be gone all day and night. But Sunday I'll post some pics of all this stuff.

Georgiaga · Senior Member

I did like i saw on a video and pulled apart a small verticle section as if I were going to part it for braids, then pulled away from the clump. I did, however, cut the ends to a blunt straight cut and then I rooted about 2 inches from that blunt end. Is that why it won't stay glued, because the blunt ends are sticking out inside the head and are not able to lay down in the glue?
I applied Tacky Glue with a fan brush and put the head in a cup overnight, washed it gently and conditioned not getting the inside wet...I think the baby headband is rubbing some of the hair off!

Noantum · Senior Member

Good Morning Ladies smile

Mohair rooting issues are bummer eh? I'm not an expert but I'll tell you what I learned from my experience.

Regular Tacky Glue will not hold your hair. It is just regular craft glue that I would use to do children's crafts with my kids (and I have). What I started out using was the E6000 and it is great!! That stuff bonds permanently and clear. The only cons to it was that it is very strong and toxic. You must be in a well ventilated area to use it and let it cure at least 24hrs. Also, it is very hard to squeeze out and slow to come out let alone when you get halfway down the tube. However, you mohair will NOT come out if rooted properly.

So, when I was tired of trying to get that out I switched to Gem-Tac permanent adhesive I bought from BB but I believe I saw some on Secrists (Pat correct me if I'm wrong). It bonds well, permanent, dries clear and is non-toxic. This takes about 48hrs to cure and it is actually washable too!

Once I found the right glue, I seperate a section of mohair from the lock and root two inches in from the blunt end. I do not cut anything because as Pat said, some of the hairs are uneven and you may get spect thinking you rooted a whole strand. I've rooted with the wooden tool with cut needles too, angle mohair from Secrist (which was quite nice once you do the rinse and let it dry so it doesn't bleed) and as long as I root on an angle and go all the way through I had not problem.

I've recently started using a toothbrust to gently brush as I go along a section so I know if any hairs are loose to come out or missing. I hope this helps smile

I wouldn't use the Tacky-Glue anymore.

Georgiaga · Senior Member

Noantum wrote:

Good Morning Ladies

Mohair rooting issues are bummer eh? I'm not an expert but I'll tell you what I learned from my experience.

Regular Tacky Glue will not hold your hair. It is just regular craft glue that I would use to do children's crafts with my kids (and I have). What I started out using was the E6000 and it is great!! That stuff bonds permanently and clear. The only cons to it was that it is very strong and toxic. You must be in a well ventilated area to use it and let it cure at least 24hrs. Also, it is very hard to squeeze out and slow to come out let alone when you get halfway down the tube. However, you mohair will NOT come out if rooted properly.

So, when I was tired of trying to get that out I switched to Gem-Tac permanent adhesive I bought from BB but I believe I saw some on Secrists (Pat correct me if I'm wrong). It bonds well, permanent, dries clear and is non-toxic. This takes about 48hrs to cure and it is actually washable too!

Once I found the right glue, I seperate a section of mohair from the lock and root two inches in from the blunt end. I do not cut anything because as Pat said, some of the hairs are uneven and you may get spect thinking you rooted a whole strand. I've rooted with the wooden tool with cut needles too, angle mohair from Secrist (which was quite nice once you do the rinse and let it dry so it doesn't bleed) and as long as I root on an angle and go all the way through I had not problem.

I've recently started using a toothbrust to gently brush as I go along a section so I know if any hairs are loose to come out or missing. I hope this helps I wouldn't use the Tacky-Glue anymore.

Sounds good! I have some E6000 coming in an order but I may just order some Gem-tac and forget about it. I can use the E6000for eyelashes or something else.

What do you mean "bleed" about the angel Hiar mohair? I just ordered that, too.

Noantum · Senior Member

Oh, I bought the black Angel Hair and didn't wash it. I just rooted it to my little head and then she started to turn black. I couldn't figure out wth then I read the notice they put on the site that the darker colors should be washed first because the dye bleeds.

So I warn you....be sure to wash and condition the mohair before you root! lay it out to dry overnight and it'll be good for rooting. Keep rinsing until the water runs clear. smile

Buffington · Guru

No, I don't use the tacky glue either. They also say to glue your wigs on with it but the glue dries out and the wigs fall off. So I put my wigs on with a hot glue gun, with the glue going in strategic spots.

Anyway... what Emily is referring to is a badly dyed batch of Angel Touch mohair. It was quite some time ago. That issue had been fixed. But when using darker colors, do the colorfast test. You can use the search feature to find out about the mohair in question and the technique. :)

Georgiaga · Senior Member

Noantum wrote:

Oh, I bought the black Angel Hair and didn't wash it. I just rooted it to my little head and then she started to turn black. I couldn't figure out wth then I read the notice they put on the site that the darker colors should be washed first because the dye bleeds.

So I warn you....be sure to wash and condition the mohair before you root! lay it out to dry overnight and it'll be good for rooting. Keep rinsing until the water runs clear.

ok, Pat and Emily!
I read about that on the BB site, but really didn't think about it again...thanks! wink

Noantum · Senior Member

Oh Pat that was a one-time deal? Great! Thanks for the info! smile

I did like that hair.....my first baby that I ever made has that hair and I love it but was weary about buying again. Glad it is no longer an issue.

Buffington · Guru

Ya, apparently it was just one batch. But, it's always good to do a small colorfast test anyway.
I'm rooting another head for Secrist and it has to go out Monday. Last one they sent the AT mohair and I love that stuff (next to my own on the hyde stuff). But this time they sent the English mohair. It looks really dull in the package and you get a lot more, but if you just pull little bunches out from the end instead of separating it from the bunch, it works out much better and it comes out shiny. I have hardly any waste with it. So now I like it. It's a finer mohair though, but still nice.

They have me rooting a Petunia head. Last time it was Kaylee. At least Kaylee had the internal wash, no outside paint but still. This Petunia doesn't have anything done to it, so I'm rooting a blank! Kinda weird. We always paint before rooting. I wonder what the deal is with the rooting first. This time I'm putting my biz card in the box when I ship it back! I hope I'm getting famous for my rooting in Hollywood! lol

-- Edited by Buffington on Tuesday 1st of February 2011 10:09:52 PM

Noantum · Senior Member

Congrats on that!! Hollywood? Not bad! I definately would leave my card inside and I wonder too why they want rooting before painting?? confuse

I've seen the English mohair and thought it was hideous so I didn't buy it. Perhaps I'll try it one day.....

Buffington · Guru

I had ordered some quite some time ago, and I too thought it wasn't going to be good stuff. I really like it though. I think because it's a finer mohair is why you get what looks to physically double of what you get of the other stuff. But since it's finer it probably takes more to make the oz.

I sent the head back to Secrist for shiping to Hollywood. I did take pics and I think I'll add them to my other post in the AS. I don't think little Petunia came out too bad. :)

drdmom · Newbie

Hi,
I don't think it is your glue. I have the needles that come with the BB kit. I have not glued yet because I noticed I was losing alot of hair. After further inspection I realized that the hair was breaking off at the insertion point and my ends were not going into the head. The hairs inside the head were short and sparse. My husband tested the mohair on the notches of the needles and found they broke very easily. The needles
from the kit are 38g crown. I have started a new post here asking for help. It is called
mohair breaking.

sara zata · Guru

OH Pat, LOL, I think Hard as Nails should do the trick with the mohair falling out. We use it over here so you don't have to hammer nails in, once it is dry, you cant pull the 2 pieces of timber apart, ONLY kidding. How about using silicone, speading it over the inside of the hair, only thing it takes a while to dry. Just a suggestion. XXXXXX June.

-- Edited by sara zata on Saturday 26th of March 2011 12:23:52 AM

Buffington · Guru

Most times if you cut a section of hair from the batch (Secrist standard or English mohair) you will get all these tiny little hairs that make it look like your baby is going bald. This is because the hair is many hairs overlapped to make a long bunch (at least in the standard). What I have found is to hold the bunch of hair in your hand. With the other hand, pinch a small bunch from the end and gently pull it from the bunch. Not only will you have less tiny hairs because you are not cutting it, the hair will come out smooth and shiny instead of dull and frizzy looking.

Now, I have had needles that have sharp barbs (slits that catch the hairs) and I have had to change needles or maybe just use a different side of the same needle. If it still cuts the hairs, then discard that particular needle and try another one. All needles are not created equal lol.

I personally don't care for the tacky glue. IMHO, it dries out inside the head just like on the outside when I used to use it to glue on wigs. Basically it's just thick white craft glue. I either use E6000 (which I leave for a week to cure and get most of the smell out) or I also found that Golden Gel Medium, regular matte works great holding hair, stays somewhat flexible, and doesn't' smell bad either. You can find it wherever you find Golden paint products, like art stores, Michaels, etc. I just use an old flexible small cooking spatula to carefully spread the gel in the head. It is white but dries semi-clear. I have been using it for years.

Diannes Darling Dolls · Member

I've always rooted from the cut end of the hair and do have the breakage problem with the 38g crown needles so I ordered different needles to try. I'm having alot better success with a couple of the other needles I got. I only use the Gem-Tac adhesive glue because it goes on white and dries clear. I use a pair of hemostats and clamp a cosmetic wedge on the end of it and just smooth the glue all over. When the glue is clear I know its dried, usually takes 48 hours. What I like about the glue is it is water proof. I comb the hair all out after the glue is completely dried then wash it and deep condition it with a leave in conditioner. I always have some hair come out when I first brush it but never anymore after that. I know the E-6000 glue works also but the smell is a little strong for me, makes my eyes water real bad. I use it for magnets and stuff like that.

-- Edited by Diannes Darling Dolls on Saturday 2nd of July 2011 04:17:48 AM

Buffington · Guru

It is best to do like you have been and root by the cut end of the hair. Sometimes it is the needle and sometimes it is the hair or rooting style. If things change from one time to another, stop and look at what has changed... are you using a different needle? Have you changed hair? Is your rooting style changed? If you have changed size, style, or type of needle, then maybe it's the needle.

I have heard several reborners say that the crown needles leave a "star" pattern of cut in the head of the doll, whereas the other type just leave a hole. Also I have heard tell that the German no barb forked needle leaves a larger hole than the other barbed needles. I have not used the crowns and have not as of yet gotten the hang of the German needles :( so I can't say on those 2 from personal experience.

Its always nice to hear others experiences and what they do compared to other artists.

Fidget101 · Newbie

Hi. I'm new to the forum. I've rooted with alpaca fleece for the first time. I glued the fleece in using the White glue that came with my starter pack. I've used this glue for 5 other reborns with mohair and haven't had a problem with hair coming out... But I am with the alpaca fleece. Lots of hair went through the head so there was lots of hair for the glue to grab hold of.
I've read the above posts and know that I need to try another glue but my question is, do I glue over the White glue with the new glue? Will that work?